Ramón Casero Cañas on Sat, 11 Jan 2003 02:39:08 +0100 (MET) |
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the problem of inversing a big boolean matrix |
Karim BELABAS wrote: > >Use ginv(). > >Cheers, > > Karim. > >P.S: In recent development versions (2.2.4 onward, or so), you can also use > > GEN u_FpM_inv(GEN x, ulong p) > Thank you, Karim. Ok, I began to code using your advice. But then it occured to me that maybe it would fail anyway. This is what I mean: Let A be an invertible matrix A = ((ai)), where ai is in {0, 1}. I would like to invert this matrix. Let say I'm using octave (or matlab). I would do this: * input the binary data to the matrix A * B = inv(A) -> this gives typically floats < 1.0 * C = B * det(A) -> the det(A) is typically a very big number * D = round(C) * E = rem(abs(D), 2) -> the modulo 2 wanted solution This works well with small matrices, but as soon as you go to a relatively big matrix (only 64 x 64!), you lose precission in the internal data representation. This means that units are truncated, so then, when you get E, elements have random values. You can test this with A * E, it doesn't give the identity matrix. This is how I came to PARI. As I saw that PARI has a type that implement moduloN numbers, I thought that maybe the inversion function worked not like in the above example. So what I just tried was this: At the very bottom of this message there's a 32 x 32 matrix, with a format that makes it easy to cut and paste into GP's command line. * Now we have an A matrix * We create a 64x64 matrix with A64 = [mattranspose(A), A; A,A] (if you make A64 = [A, A; A, A] you get a non-invertible matrix) * We go for the modulo 2 type A2 = Mod(A64, 2) * We invert the matrix E = A2 ^ (-1) But again, if we test A2 * E, we don't get the identity matrix. I would appreciate any comment on what I'm doing wrong, or maybe this is just a problem without solution, or a problem with such an easy solution that everybody knows it. 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