American Citizen on Sun, 07 Jul 2024 03:57:41 +0200 |
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Question: trying to locate other Diophantine triples from certain elliptic curves |
Hello:I am working with elliptic curves associated with a Diophantine triple [a,b,c] such that a*b+1, a*c+1, and b*c+1 are all rational squares:
The equation of this curve is (1) E_triple(a,b,c) = [0,(a*b+a*c+b*c),0,(a*b*c)*(a+b+c),(a*b*c)^2] in Weierstrass format. For a selected triple [a,b,c] = t = [5/4, 5/36, 32/9], the curve becomes (2) E(5/4,5/36,32/9) = E(t) = [0, 6625/1296, 0, 2225/729, 2500/6561] The minimal model of this curve is (3) M(t) = [1, 0, 0, -593988, 172568592] with conductor 510450GP-Pari ellisomat(E_triple) command gives four isogenous classes for (2) E(t) in [0,0,0,a,b] Weierstrass format
K_1 = [-28511425/5038848, 149142030625/29386561536] K_2 = [-453599425/5038848, 9660698574625/29386561536] K_3 = [3360575/5038848, 464053326625/29386561536] K_4 = [-3935425/314928, -4396529375/459165024] Using the expression for the c4 invariant to (1) above I came up with(4) F.c4 = (16*b^2 - 16*c*b + 16*c^2)*a^2 + (-16*c*b^2 - 16*c^2*b)*a + 16*c^2*b^2
And using brute force searching for b,c, by solving for (4) = E(t).c4 invariant = 28511425/104976 and the fact that the "a" variable is a quadratic in F.c4, I came up with a list of over 164 triples which have the same c4 value for the elliptic curve E(t).
My apparently mistaken idea was that I could find isomorphic curves by matching the c4 value. This apparently is naive and too simplistic.
Realizing next that apparently the j-invariant must be the same, I located 34 triples creating elliptic curves with identical c4 and j invariants, and derived 13 unique triples from those which satisfy
E(t).c4 = 28511425/104976 and E(t).j = 1483326465959023993/34578915987456 Those triples are: [-7/36, 80/63, 35/12] [10/9, -5/36, 41/12] [28/9, 35/12, 415/252] [32/9, 83/36, 41/12] [40/27, -83/108, 205/108] [5/4, 10/9, -83/36] [5/4, 5/36, 32/9] (Diophantine triple) [7/36, -80/63, -35/12] [7/36, 28/9, 41/28] [8/3, 5/12, 205/108] [80/63, 41/28, -415/252] [9/4, -5/12, 40/27] [9/4, 8/3, 83/108]Alas! only 1 triple is a Diophantine triple, the original t = [5/4, 5/36, 32/9] My hope was that more Diophantine triples might appear. This list of triples seems infinite, btw.
All this work was only concerned with the first isogenous class (K_1) above. I have a 2 part goal here.1. Find all isogenous classes for E(t) (which is simple using the ellisomat() command) but obtaining elliptic curves in the format of (1), not the classical [0,0,0,a,b] format which the ellisomat command derives.
2. For each curve using a,b,c, quickly find all triples which give a matching E.j invariant value, and hopefully find other Diophantine triples.
The key idea here is that if we find E(t) from a Diophantine triple, then the other isogenous classes should likely also contain a Diophantine triple.
I did notice that the 4 isomorphism clases for E(t) do have different j-invariant values, so I am a bit confused at the moment on how we know that
all 4 are in this group.Is there a way to quickly find triples for (1) given E(t) ? and, of course, for finding other triples for the other isogenous curves?
Thank you for a reply. I do appreciate any response, as this is the only way I have of discussing such things concerning elliptic curves with other
mathematicians, as I am retired. Randall Sat 6-July-2024